Jonny From United States, joined Dec 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
Hello everyone,
I would like your help because all 20 photos I uploaded to A.net have been rejected. The majority I understand why. But do you have any advice on taking high quality shots? My camera is a Kodak Z8612 IS model camera. I have not taken any airplane photos with it yet, but my test shots' quality turned out ridiculous. The quality is terrible. I took some photos with Auto, and also Manuel. The Auto photos are grainy. The Manuel photos are high in quality, but I only took them in low light. I hope m any of you will help me understand more about my camera and picture taking.
P.S. Do any of you have camera where you can actually select the amount of quality? I can't seem to find it on my camera, and the instructions don't include it either.
Scottieprecord From United States, joined Jul 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
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Quoting TransIsland (Reply 2): Read your camera's manual, read a bit about photography in general, show us some photos. And I probably forgot a few steps.
Haha. Photoshop should probably be in there somewhere too.
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ANITIX87 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1775 times:
Quoting Jonny (Thread starter): I would like your help because all 20 photos I uploaded to A.net have been rejected.
If you have 20 uploads available that means you either have quite a few shots in the database, or your first few were all accepted. Which makes me wonder what you have changed in your process for uploading?
If you had something that worked, try going back to it. If you changed cameras, then read the manual and see what you can do to get the best shots out of it.
And, as stated above, post some of the rejections so we can help you better.
JeffM From United States, joined May 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 4): If you have 20 uploads available that means you either have quite a few shots in the database, or your first few were all accepted.
....he didn't say he uploaded 20 shots all at once...he said .....
Quoting Jonny (Thread starter): all 20 photos I uploaded to A.net have been rejected
TransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 1469 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1628 times:
Had a quick look at myaviation... they're so far away from a.net's standards, I don't know where to begin. Maybe here: http://planecatcher.com/IGRR.htm
And have a look at the workflow linked on the upload page, too.
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Aloha717200 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 3452 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1617 times:
I mean this as constructively as possible...but your first mistake was to purchase a Kodak point and shoot camera.
I've been doing a heck of a lot of research lately on digital cameras in an effort to find the best point and shoot available until I can purchase an SLR down the road. The Kodaks consistently rank near the bottom in image quality and quality control over similarly-featured models.
You would do much, much better with a Canon or Olympus model. My suggestions:
Canon Powershot G9 - The best of the point and shoots, $500 or so.
Canon Powershot S5 IS - Lesser image quality than the G9, but more features. Post processing could fix its shortcomings on noise.
Olympus SP570UZ - Better image quality than S5, but more barrel and puncushion distortion.
Panasonic DMC-FZ18 - Great features and image quality, but too much noise reduction resulting in detail loss and softness.
ANITIX87 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 12): Canon Powershot G9 - The best of the point and shoots, $500 or so.
When getting a camera like this, I always discourage. Spending 500 dollars now on the G9, and then more on a DSLR a few years down the road it pointless. Throw down 600 for a good entry-level DSLR now (Canon XSi, Olympus E-510, etc) and you can improve much, much faster. And you'll save a ton of money. The Canon XSi kit, with one lens, is 809. The XTi kit is 639, and the Olympus E-510 is 630 with a 2GB card, a spare battery, and a bag to carry it all.
Jonny From United States, joined Dec 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
So meaning that the Kodak pictures are not really for Airliners.net? Well, my dad does have a Canon camera; maybe I'll take pictures using it to upload to A.net (hopefully, most photos rejected were from that camera), while using my Kodak to upload to Myaviation. If you like, I may provide you with some test photos with my Kodak camera, this might help you a bit.
Scotland1979 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 502 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1592 times:
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Quoting Cathay111 (Reply 5): Please post two or three rejected photos
Yup, it is the only way we can see them and give feedbacks - perhaps give us some reasons why they are rejected specifically and we may answer them for you
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I think you have already got the answer. The overall photo quality doesn't meet the acceptance criteria. I am not on my screening monitor at the moment, but I still could clearly see too much JPG compression.
Aloha717200 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 3452 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1553 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 13): When getting a camera like this, I always discourage. Spending 500 dollars now on the G9, and then more on a DSLR a few years down the road it pointless. Throw down 600 for a good entry-level DSLR now (Canon XSi, Olympus E-510, etc) and you can improve much, much faster. And you'll save a ton of money. The Canon XSi kit, with one lens, is 809. The XTi kit is 639, and the Olympus E-510 is 630 with a 2GB card, a spare battery, and a bag to carry it all.
It's a much more worthwhile buy.
TIS
While I agree with you about DSLR being the way to go, it can get expensive very quickly, and the learning curve can also be steep. The cameras I listed have long zoom ranges and good wide angle capabilities. For the same range, he'd have to buy three lenses at least, plus the cost of the SLR itself. You can get an entry level SLR for $450 at the lowest, but add in 3 lenses at $200 apiece, plus memory cards and accessories and he's dropping at least 1K.
If he has the money, then go for it. But the reason I'm staying with P&S right now is because I simply don't have the cash yet. That, and my previous camera was a very old digital model with fewer features, and I feel like learning a bit more about good photography using the best P&S I can find until I feel ready to use a full featured SLR. But that's just me. Our friend might want to jump right on in. There's no question that SLR lenses, quality and color are far better than any P&S in existence. But if he isn't ready to make the investment, then a very good bridge camera might be the ticket until then.
Jonny From United States, joined Dec 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1488 times:
So what do I have to do to improve the quality? I have already provided you with rejected photos, Here are some test photos:
This is my website on freewebs.com. I use it for all sorts of picture hostings. They are pictures taken when I was testing the camera. These photos are from a bush in my backyard.
Aloha717200 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 3452 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
Remember that with megapixels, more does not necessarily mean better. Most of your shots for a.net wouldn't need to be any larger than 1600x1200 or so, I forget if there is a resolution limit here. So whats more important than how many megapixels you have is what your ISO sensitivity is set to, what the pixel density on your sensor is, and the settings of your noise reduction in camera. Don't set your noise reduction too high or you'll get soft photos lacking detail. Too low and you'll get too much noise in your images. The good thing about noise is that it can be corrected in post-processing a lot easier than softness. Once a camera removes the fine detail from an image, you can't get it back. So be sparing on the noise reduction.
Try to pick a camera that is image stabilized. I believe your Z8612 is stabilized. Optical stabilization is best, sensor or CCD is okay, software or ISO stabilization are BAD.
Remember that the higher your ISO, the more noise you will get and you will lose fine details as well. Try to shoot at ISO 100 or lower in bright sun. Use high ISO only in low light.
Avoid distortions and chromatic aberration by not shooting at full telephoto or full wide angle. Shooting in the middle of the zoom range yields best results.
Don't overdo the settings for saturation, contrast and sharpness in your camera. Most of that can be corrected post processing. You want to keep your basic images somewhat "pure" so that you have more license to correct them later. The more your camera does for you automatically, the less you have control of later, and could possibly cost your acceptance rate as well.
Avoid using any camera that produces halos in high contrast areas. Halos are hard to fix.
You said you had a Canon camera. I'd like to see the specs on that. What camera is it? What's the model number?
Jonny From United States, joined Dec 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Thank you Aloha717200. Well, all these 3 photos were taken at ISO 64. While using ISO 200 on the Canon camera, the shots turned out okay. I make sharpening low, on my camera because I'd rather have the photo turn out soft and then sharpen it on my PC rather than have it oversharpened and have a rejection I can't fix. My dad says that more MP's the better, but I proved him wrong when I took an 8MP pic of his car and it turned out really grainy. I do believe that MP is not the real answer to high quality here. I have learned from experience that bright lighting conditions can lead to higher quality. And also that too much digital zoom can kill photos. Anyway, thanks for this additional information, I will always be thanking
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